to Deathwalker
I cant say I agree with you
its mostly the years that makes the seal growweak.
when naruto uses the chakra of the kyuubi it tear more on the seal than usual.
Man of course the seal also weakens every time Naruto use the fox chakra, but that doesn’t mean time doesn’t have the same effect as well, the usage just speed up the effect, its like the MS, it goes slowly to blindness, but the more you use it the faster the effect becomes.
About the Rasenshuriken, you may be right, but I don’t think he is having that trouble controlling the fox, he looses it when he loose control of emotions, like Rage or Hate and goes 3 or 4 tails. When he fought Kakuzu it looked like he was calm and in absolute control, if you look closely, his cheeks were even normal. But you may be right in one point, he probably needed to use the fox chakra that time because he performed too much Rasenshuriken that day.
i see ur point as well..for the most part it seems like we’re on the same page here but lets wait and see..if im wrong i’ll admit it…
the girl seemd like she’d end up w/ gaara jus like the whole naruto/hinata thing…she is not much younger than gaara and gaara is one of the youngest cast members…sora could play a less role too if he was meant to die and not be in the manga long..
also the thing with the sand’s council…they highlighted on how not only konoha has issues w/ their councilors and they did show their shinobi tryiny to get to gaara at the same time finding ways to get around the council..
anywayz since we both kinda agreed to wait and see wat happens this’ll be my last comment….besides im gonna continue doin’ wat i’d said i’d do bout re-reading the manga from the beginning to the present….til then…
Jman say naruto can now draw the power of the kyubi,but have also lots of work to do to master it
but we can also tell naruto can draw the power of the fox,stay normal,but have the special ability to heal back and get stronger if he is determined (see back then at the fight again neji,people talk about it)
so basicaly ,yaa,naruto can trigger many ability if he can stay in control(this is prouved)i think somehow,those same ability will be part of naruto futur,i just hope he will not lose the fox…(like when yamato say to him,you have yourself your own ability etc bla bla)
yamato chat is a clue about the very large potential naruto have by himself(see his father)if he need somehow to draw the power of the fox for a *special* jutsu*that* jutsu,it will surely mean something who will not be a close range jutsu(because naruto trademark is already rasengan,who can 1 shot people)
we know about minato who can call the frogs,and have a teleportation jutsu(naruto who can teleportin the futur?woaa a blast lol)but we can easily say minato lv was very very high(kakashi saga)so if minato was not in the capacity to finish those jutsu,and wanted naruto to complete it,naruto will learn in the futur,more cover up tech,and surely more focus as he need those to master at the same time the fox(meaby a massive distance attack?like all the high ranked shinobi,but im sure this will not beat the rasengan,water attack??)
so basicaly,naruto futur is to learn ,discover and gain the power he was supossed to have by blood(here kishi will make the job harder for him lol)
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remember what the 3rd make them learn when they finished the 2nd part of the exam,about the heaven for naruto…
here is also the key for sakura and sasuke(who can do anything,and from here,the same mistake the 3rd did with orochimaru)but also rememberssasuke was not perfect ether,so now he got some strong jutsu,but kishi have show too more in one fight,alone,he dont have the lv…
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and finaly shakura:what up with her?does she have any jutsu on her own?healing and extra str from stunade? no i think it will turn about the *inner* sakura,who somehow will turn special later on *i hope*
Guys remember at first the seal was ok, there wasn’t a problim till after jeriah messed with it, if time had an effect on the seal then wouldn’t 12 years damage it more then 3?
i somewhat agree about the time thing deathwalker but dont forget that at first Naruto wasn’t in a situation where he had to draw on the power of the fox. And the only reason why Jiraiya messed with the seal in the first place is because Orochimaru placed whatever it was on the 4th’s seal to disrupt Naru’s chakra flow and jiraiya removed what oro put on there…thats all. But anyway, in the past 3 years Naruto has been in countless situations where he had to draw on the fox’s power because he reached his limit, which is why his seal is damaged more in the past 3 years than it was in the first 12 years of his life….i think i wrote this kinda confusingly….hold on…..
what im trying to say is….because of his excessive use of the fox’s energy in the past 3 years there has been more wear on the seal which is why there is more damage on it in only 3 years when in the first 12 years of his life the seal was pretty much fine. The thing is…i cant rly say that time effects the seal…i mean it might…..but i think its Naruto’s lifestyle that effects it more…i mean if Naruto wasn’t a ninja do u rly think the fox would eventually break out of the seal? i dont think so….at least not if his life wasn’t in danger. im not sure if what im saying makes any sense but…ah w/e! xD
i was looking at some other forums, and you know what really pisses me off? people saying that orochimaru is stronger than jiraiya, also they are saying that sasuke killed itachi and that he was stronger than him. Another one is that itachi could have killed pein.
Umm shadow, aparently you don’t know this but jeriah used the key to the seal on the seal to losen it a little bit dureing the time skip, well after he removed the 5 prong seal. When he did this Naruto went 4 tails and nearly killed jeriah.
naruto can control his kyuubi chakra provided THAT HE USES IT MORE OFTEN… even if it went to 5 tails or so… just like practicing or learning a new technique…
damage in the flow of chakra is the side effect of rassenshuriken as said by 5th but remember kyuubi has the ability to heal itself more than anyone else will do… so basically it counters the side effect…
Minato’s seal have weakened faster in the past three years most likely because before the fight with Haku and Zabuza, Naruto had never awakened that power, that moment was the come back of Kyuubi, his awakening, since than, the seal gets weak as the time passes by, that’s one of the reasons. The other reason is not the seal Orochimaru placed above Minato’s and Jiraya than removed it, but the little reverse Jiraya did during the time skip with the Key, those are the main reasons for the seal getting weaker, besides the time itself and the constant use of the fox chakra, maybe that’s why Yamato advised Naruto to stop using it, because he can’t completely control it and because the seal get more weak every time Naruto use the fox power. That’s why the Key is needed and Naruto must learn how to completely control the fox chakra and at the same time reinforce his seal.
After like 30 chapters of trash, i finally read a good chapter. I really liked this chapter. Looks like kishis starting to do well again. Hope he doesnt mess it up again.
I hate sakura so much. Here she acts like shes so good and serious, but you cant forget that she wanted to join sasuke going to orochimaru. She wanted to join the bad side and Konoha didnt say nothing to here. like how messed up is that. If i was naruto, i would have killed her, for trying to betray konoha like that, just for her sasuke-kun.
To me, i always count sakura in the bad guy category, like sasuke in that category as well. I also count kakashi in that category too because he knew sasuke was corrupted and unstable, yet he freed sasuke, knowing sasuke would go to orochimaru.
I really wish, kinshi would put an edge to naruto. His grandfather was killed and all he could do is storm out of the room and cry like a little girl. Nothing about getting revenge on the person who did it, nothing about getting stronger for his grandfather, nothing questions who kill him, no punching his fist against the wall…absolutely nothing…just tears. Grow up already naruto become a man for once in your life. Sasuke dedicated his entire life to getting revenge for the his clan’s murder and as misguided as it was he did in fact get stronger. Now he might actually be the strongest person in naruto world. Naruto is now 16 and he still hasn’t asked one question about his parents, who were they, how’d they die. And the most obvious question he should be asking, is how in the heck did a nine tails demon fox get tatooed to my tummy and whose Idea was it there? Forget the aswers I just want him to start asking the questions
I like zeraphim13 theory, comment #50, what if the code has something to do with his book, after all he did write about his lifes journeys and encounters, whats if his code isa a swries of pages mentioning all the bodies he fought against Pain. Thus revealing Nagato and where he is???? just a thought..
Dude!!!!! First of all, is this your first time reading a manga?????Jaria was not Narutos Grandfather, jaria just thought of Naruto as a grandson….thats all. Second it would ruin the story if Naruto would find out too early of his past (there needs to be some suspense to the story) and the tatoo on his belly only comes out when he uses chakra
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 am
to Deathwalker
I cant say I agree with you
its mostly the years that makes the seal growweak.
when naruto uses the chakra of the kyuubi it tear more on the seal than usual.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 am
To DeathWalker:
Man of course the seal also weakens every time Naruto use the fox chakra, but that doesn’t mean time doesn’t have the same effect as well, the usage just speed up the effect, its like the MS, it goes slowly to blindness, but the more you use it the faster the effect becomes.
About the Rasenshuriken, you may be right, but I don’t think he is having that trouble controlling the fox, he looses it when he loose control of emotions, like Rage or Hate and goes 3 or 4 tails. When he fought Kakuzu it looked like he was calm and in absolute control, if you look closely, his cheeks were even normal. But you may be right in one point, he probably needed to use the fox chakra that time because he performed too much Rasenshuriken that day.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 am
to daniel:
i see ur point as well..for the most part it seems like we’re on the same page here but lets wait and see..if im wrong i’ll admit it…
the girl seemd like she’d end up w/ gaara jus like the whole naruto/hinata thing…she is not much younger than gaara and gaara is one of the youngest cast members…sora could play a less role too if he was meant to die and not be in the manga long..
also the thing with the sand’s council…they highlighted on how not only konoha has issues w/ their councilors and they did show their shinobi tryiny to get to gaara at the same time finding ways to get around the council..
anywayz since we both kinda agreed to wait and see wat happens this’ll be my last comment….besides im gonna continue doin’ wat i’d said i’d do bout re-reading the manga from the beginning to the present….til then…
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 am
Jman say naruto can now draw the power of the kyubi,but have also lots of work to do to master it
but we can also tell naruto can draw the power of the fox,stay normal,but have the special ability to heal back and get stronger if he is determined (see back then at the fight again neji,people talk about it)
so basicaly ,yaa,naruto can trigger many ability if he can stay in control(this is prouved)i think somehow,those same ability will be part of naruto futur,i just hope he will not lose the fox…(like when yamato say to him,you have yourself your own ability etc bla bla)
yamato chat is a clue about the very large potential naruto have by himself(see his father)if he need somehow to draw the power of the fox for a *special* jutsu*that* jutsu,it will surely mean something who will not be a close range jutsu(because naruto trademark is already rasengan,who can 1 shot people)
we know about minato who can call the frogs,and have a teleportation jutsu(naruto who can teleportin the futur?woaa a blast lol)but we can easily say minato lv was very very high(kakashi saga)so if minato was not in the capacity to finish those jutsu,and wanted naruto to complete it,naruto will learn in the futur,more cover up tech,and surely more focus as he need those to master at the same time the fox(meaby a massive distance attack?like all the high ranked shinobi,but im sure this will not beat the rasengan,water attack??)
so basicaly,naruto futur is to learn ,discover and gain the power he was supossed to have by blood(here kishi will make the job harder for him lol)
========
remember what the 3rd make them learn when they finished the 2nd part of the exam,about the heaven for naruto…
here is also the key for sakura and sasuke(who can do anything,and from here,the same mistake the 3rd did with orochimaru)but also rememberssasuke was not perfect ether,so now he got some strong jutsu,but kishi have show too more in one fight,alone,he dont have the lv…
=========
and finaly shakura:what up with her?does she have any jutsu on her own?healing and extra str from stunade? no i think it will turn about the *inner* sakura,who somehow will turn special later on *i hope*
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 am
Guys remember at first the seal was ok, there wasn’t a problim till after jeriah messed with it, if time had an effect on the seal then wouldn’t 12 years damage it more then 3?
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 am
i somewhat agree about the time thing deathwalker but dont forget that at first Naruto wasn’t in a situation where he had to draw on the power of the fox. And the only reason why Jiraiya messed with the seal in the first place is because Orochimaru placed whatever it was on the 4th’s seal to disrupt Naru’s chakra flow and jiraiya removed what oro put on there…thats all. But anyway, in the past 3 years Naruto has been in countless situations where he had to draw on the fox’s power because he reached his limit, which is why his seal is damaged more in the past 3 years than it was in the first 12 years of his life….i think i wrote this kinda confusingly….hold on…..
what im trying to say is….because of his excessive use of the fox’s energy in the past 3 years there has been more wear on the seal which is why there is more damage on it in only 3 years when in the first 12 years of his life the seal was pretty much fine. The thing is…i cant rly say that time effects the seal…i mean it might…..but i think its Naruto’s lifestyle that effects it more…i mean if Naruto wasn’t a ninja do u rly think the fox would eventually break out of the seal? i dont think so….at least not if his life wasn’t in danger. im not sure if what im saying makes any sense but…ah w/e! xD
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
i was looking at some other forums, and you know what really pisses me off? people saying that orochimaru is stronger than jiraiya, also they are saying that sasuke killed itachi and that he was stronger than him. Another one is that itachi could have killed pein.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Umm shadow, aparently you don’t know this but jeriah used the key to the seal on the seal to losen it a little bit dureing the time skip, well after he removed the 5 prong seal. When he did this Naruto went 4 tails and nearly killed jeriah.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:19 pm
can anyone give me a link where j-man remove the seal of naruto and naruto almost killed him?? plz??
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
my theory:
naruto can control his kyuubi chakra provided THAT HE USES IT MORE OFTEN… even if it went to 5 tails or so… just like practicing or learning a new technique…
damage in the flow of chakra is the side effect of rassenshuriken as said by 5th but remember kyuubi has the ability to heal itself more than anyone else will do… so basically it counters the side effect…
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:24 pm
To Shadow_chan:
Minato’s seal have weakened faster in the past three years most likely because before the fight with Haku and Zabuza, Naruto had never awakened that power, that moment was the come back of Kyuubi, his awakening, since than, the seal gets weak as the time passes by, that’s one of the reasons. The other reason is not the seal Orochimaru placed above Minato’s and Jiraya than removed it, but the little reverse Jiraya did during the time skip with the Key, those are the main reasons for the seal getting weaker, besides the time itself and the constant use of the fox chakra, maybe that’s why Yamato advised Naruto to stop using it, because he can’t completely control it and because the seal get more weak every time Naruto use the fox power. That’s why the Key is needed and Naruto must learn how to completely control the fox chakra and at the same time reinforce his seal.
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Naruto going to use the death ripper jutsu on Pein and survive.Don’t know when but that’s how he’s gonna beat him.LOL
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:28 pm
After like 30 chapters of trash, i finally read a good chapter. I really liked this chapter. Looks like kishis starting to do well again. Hope he doesnt mess it up again.
I hate sakura so much. Here she acts like shes so good and serious, but you cant forget that she wanted to join sasuke going to orochimaru. She wanted to join the bad side and Konoha didnt say nothing to here. like how messed up is that. If i was naruto, i would have killed her, for trying to betray konoha like that, just for her sasuke-kun.
To me, i always count sakura in the bad guy category, like sasuke in that category as well. I also count kakashi in that category too because he knew sasuke was corrupted and unstable, yet he freed sasuke, knowing sasuke would go to orochimaru.
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
what!!!!!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Welcome back gameboy
June 24th, 2008 at 12:18 am
I really wish, kinshi would put an edge to naruto. His grandfather was killed and all he could do is storm out of the room and cry like a little girl. Nothing about getting revenge on the person who did it, nothing about getting stronger for his grandfather, nothing questions who kill him, no punching his fist against the wall…absolutely nothing…just tears. Grow up already naruto become a man for once in your life. Sasuke dedicated his entire life to getting revenge for the his clan’s murder and as misguided as it was he did in fact get stronger. Now he might actually be the strongest person in naruto world. Naruto is now 16 and he still hasn’t asked one question about his parents, who were they, how’d they die. And the most obvious question he should be asking, is how in the heck did a nine tails demon fox get tatooed to my tummy and whose Idea was it there? Forget the aswers I just want him to start asking the questions
June 24th, 2008 at 12:35 am
I like zeraphim13 theory, comment #50, what if the code has something to do with his book, after all he did write about his lifes journeys and encounters, whats if his code isa a swries of pages mentioning all the bodies he fought against Pain. Thus revealing Nagato and where he is???? just a thought..
nice theory zeraphim13
June 24th, 2008 at 12:39 am
I like that theory too, zeraphim13, it makes sense!
June 24th, 2008 at 12:47 am
to speakerboxx,
Dude!!!!! First of all, is this your first time reading a manga?????Jaria was not Narutos Grandfather, jaria just thought of Naruto as a grandson….thats all. Second it would ruin the story if Naruto would find out too early of his past (there needs to be some suspense to the story) and the tatoo on his belly only comes out when he uses chakra
June 24th, 2008 at 12:48 am
to speakerboxx
no disrespect or anything, im just saying