if pain uses jiraiya’s body…. that’s gotta hurt…T.T but we all saw how jiraiya’s body sunk right?? hope it will not happen…
about the code:
1.it could be coordinates
2.it could be pages from jiraiya’s book (that book is kinda important because the old frog (forgot his name) gave predictions about jiraiya’s life… that 1.he will be the teacher of the child of prophecy and 2. he will write a book about everything he saw in his journey.
but if it is the pages in his book how can this book reveal who really is pein? it could contain things about nagato and others, the 6 bodies of pein cause as we all know pein’s body are all the shinobis jiraiya met in the past. like daniel said it could contain the 6 bodies ability and even their identity.
3.it could be jiraiya’s phone no.^^ so they could call him in after life to make things easier!!!^^
Hmmm….. I’m still waiting for that book to pop up outta nowhere with the importance of the world at stake. *sigh* I love this manga. And the anime is very entertaining…. though too many commercials.
To skull i like what you said about naruto and his larger than life qualilties he still is only a chuunin even though he’s operating at kakashi level so the inprovement in him is vast.i don’t hold to the throught that sasuke is well ahead of him,as soon as he stops been a kid he’s toast.Vindicator Daniel the body doubles of itachi and kisame were supplied by Sasori i’am not too clear as to whether the chakkra game from PAIN or KISAME,who pain asked for some way back.Zeraphim the code could well be coordinates but i still feel it has something to do with j man book/s maybe not make out paradise like i said earlier but the one he remember when he die for a second or two.Come to thing of it,was’nt that the moment he really remember that naruto was actually the FOURTHS son?One more throught do you think that naruto may have realised that he is the fourth son after he’s little chat with IRUKA.The look on his face went he’s told the pervy sage was bragging about him been practically his grandson. hmmm
To Shikamaru: She wouldn’t use it even if she could (She can’t cause that Justsu cause ChiyoaBa was the one that developed it and since it was forbidden she didn’t go around n’ teach people how to use it) cause the village would loose for more from loosing hteir Hokage than from using Jman.
This all comes down to point of view, the anime and manga are 2 defrent things, just cause what happens in the anime doesn’t happen in the manga does not mean it does not matter. Every thing that happens in the anime filler or not can be used to debate about the anime, but filler has no place in debate about the manga.
Back there misunderstood me, I wasn’t talking of who provided the Bodies, it’s Sasori of course, their were Sand shinobis, and who gave the chakra was Kisame and Itashi, but the Jutsu itself, the technique that created the True Replicas belonged to Pain. The name of that jutsu is “Shouten no Jutsu”.
Thanks Daniel i get where your coming from now your right of course naruto is only a gennin.I’am just a newbie kicking some throughts back and forth.What do you feel about realisation part of jirayra recoknising(is that a word lol)naruto as the fourth son and to me,if naruto cotton on to what iruka sensi said to him?
Well about that, Jiraya always knew that Naruto was Minato’s son, in fact it was Jiraya who gave him the name of Naruto, making him his Godfather. Jiraya wasn’t Minato’s father, he just taught of him as his son, like for him Naruto was like his grandson. If Naruto already realized I don’t know, maybe he did. But what I’m most looking forward is information about Naruto’s mother and the former whirlpool country, of course I also want to know more about Yondaime.
What Jiraya realized in that moment, was that the Child of Profecy was Naruto not Pain, he remembered the Great Sage’s words about the book, and the boy in the book was named Naruto.
Wouldn’t it be cool if Pein did collect Jiraiya’s body……thus Jiraiya not really dying just taken over by Pein. Then later….when Pein fights Naruto……naruto finding a way of fighting all of Peins bodies…..but at the same time finding a way to save Jiraiya from Pein. That would be cool. I like Jiraiya, he’s one of my favorite characters so it would be awesome if he returned later on….
hmmm your right ‘an interesting egg’ when he(jirayra) asked if he could take naruto to find Tsunade ‘it’s true you only eat ramen’ when meeting him for the first time kishi so vague when telling his tale it’s brillant.Thanks again Daniel you seem to be on the ball.
Great chapter , dont cry about Jiraiya his death is necessary for Naruto to develop. Just like Shikamaru changed when Asuma died, started smoking and things, Naruto will change too, and i dont mean by chasing girls or writing books but by getting smarter and better in combat.
Cant wait to see what that code is all about, and i dont think it is about pain at all but more somnthing special for naruto only, perhaps info on his parents or how to get full control on the 9-Taills, because wee all know that he is going to need it eventually…..but we’ll see….
wat bout those girls from the sand village that were introduced in the fillers of naruto part one but where again shown later in shippuuden and the manga..im sure that there’s probably been more stuff thats been shown in fillers thats been used in the manga but the manga still serves as the main guideline of the series and one little detail no matter how bigg it is wont ruin the manga of the show…
im sure kishi knows that most of his manga readers watch his show so maybe he did it as a bonus…im jus sayin i hp he introduces more cool characters in the fillers..for all we know sora could be one of the jinchurikis that was later captured and wont effect the story much in the manga…kishi could be doin jus wat alotta people wanted for him to highlight on dead jinchurikis/bijuus and fallen shinobis since they wont be back or wont be needed much in the story and at the same time instead of providen crappy fillers, they’ll be interesting…
I doubt that it is possible for Pein to “collect” Jiraiya’s body. Most likely, whatever technique is used to “collect” shinobi bodies has to be done while alive, so as to retain its inherent chakra and some information of the shinobi’s techniques. You’ll recall that when Jiraiya was hiding within his barrier, one of Pein’s bodies got inside of it and impaled him with a strange weapon, causing him to lose control of his chakra until the frog sage pulled it out.
The weapon probably has some relationship with those weird metal rivets and stuff studding Pein’s bodies’ skins, to form a kind of possession technique. I’d be willing to bet Pein is acting as an overmind somewhere, and that those shinobi we’ve seen as Pein are still alive, with their minds being sealed off from their body - letting just enough through for each one to perform a small amount of ninjutsu.
Like I said, you can get indeed some extra info from the anime, in fact Kishi sometimes uses the anime to show us stuff that he wanted to do in the manga but didn’t cause it would make it too long and off topic.
But again, that kind of info is just little extras, nothing special that could change or contradict the manga. But fact is the Anime sometimes mess up with the manga, for example, in Rescue Gaara’s arc, in the manga the Sand Village made everything they could to save him, instead in the Anime they did nothing because the council decided too, that’s why I said the Anime is not much reliable.
About that girl from the sand and Sora, that girl was indeed introduced in a filler and later shown in the manga, but she does not play a big role in the series, on the other hand, if Sora was a Jinchuuriki he would play a big role. As for Sora being one of the Jinchuuriki already captured that’s impossible, because:
When Deidara captured Gaara it was said that the Akatsuki had already captured 3 Bijuu, meaning the 5th 6th and 7th tails. So if it was before Gaara (the one tailed) it means Sora wasn’t one of those.
Later we saw Hidan and Kakazu capturing the 2 tails, and wasn’t Sora.
Tobi and Deidara captured the 3 tails, a wild Bijuu.
Finally, Kisame captured the 4 tails, an old man.
So that means Sora can’t be any of the Jinchuuriki captured earlier like you said. And since Naruto has the 9 tails, the only left is the 8 tails Sasuke will be after. So it’s impossible for Sora to be introduced in the storyline without making a big impact in it that a filler character shouldn’t do.
But lets see what happens in both anime and manga to make some conclusions, Sora can still be the 8tails, but I really doubt it, because not only he is a filler character, but also because Madara said the 1st Hokage gave the Bijuu to other countries to balance the power, and only kept the 9tails (the strongest), so if Sora was one, the Fire Country would still have 2 of them, making little sense.
i’m pretty sure that number has to do with breakingrepairing naruto’s seal on his stomach. afterall Jiraiya did seem to know alot about naruto’s seal. i think he helped the fourth place the nine tailed fox in naruto. so the code is to break the seal if naruto ever needs to.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 am
if pain uses jiraiya’s body…. that’s gotta hurt…T.T but we all saw how jiraiya’s body sunk right?? hope it will not happen…
about the code:
1.it could be coordinates
2.it could be pages from jiraiya’s book (that book is kinda important because the old frog (forgot his name) gave predictions about jiraiya’s life… that 1.he will be the teacher of the child of prophecy and 2. he will write a book about everything he saw in his journey.
but if it is the pages in his book how can this book reveal who really is pein? it could contain things about nagato and others, the 6 bodies of pein cause as we all know pein’s body are all the shinobis jiraiya met in the past. like daniel said it could contain the 6 bodies ability and even their identity.
3.it could be jiraiya’s phone no.^^ so they could call him in after life to make things easier!!!^^
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 am
Hmmm….. I’m still waiting for that book to pop up outta nowhere with the importance of the world at stake. *sigh* I love this manga. And the anime is very entertaining…. though too many commercials.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:37 am
pein is such a pain.
jiraiya’s dead. i hope pein would never use his body couse jiraiya’s death is perfect already.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:52 am
To skull i like what you said about naruto and his larger than life qualilties he still is only a chuunin even though he’s operating at kakashi level so the inprovement in him is vast.i don’t hold to the throught that sasuke is well ahead of him,as soon as he stops been a kid he’s toast.Vindicator Daniel the body doubles of itachi and kisame were supplied by Sasori i’am not too clear as to whether the chakkra game from PAIN or KISAME,who pain asked for some way back.Zeraphim the code could well be coordinates but i still feel it has something to do with j man book/s maybe not make out paradise like i said earlier but the one he remember when he die for a second or two.Come to thing of it,was’nt that the moment he really remember that naruto was actually the FOURTHS son?One more throught do you think that naruto may have realised that he is the fourth son after he’s little chat with IRUKA.The look on his face went he’s told the pervy sage was bragging about him been practically his grandson. hmmm
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 am
To Shikamaru: She wouldn’t use it even if she could (She can’t cause that Justsu cause ChiyoaBa was the one that developed it and since it was forbidden she didn’t go around n’ teach people how to use it) cause the village would loose for more from loosing hteir Hokage than from using Jman.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 am
This all comes down to point of view, the anime and manga are 2 defrent things, just cause what happens in the anime doesn’t happen in the manga does not mean it does not matter. Every thing that happens in the anime filler or not can be used to debate about the anime, but filler has no place in debate about the manga.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 am
To KAKASHIDAD:
Actually Naruto is still a Gennin not a Chunnin.
Back there misunderstood me, I wasn’t talking of who provided the Bodies, it’s Sasori of course, their were Sand shinobis, and who gave the chakra was Kisame and Itashi, but the Jutsu itself, the technique that created the True Replicas belonged to Pain. The name of that jutsu is “Shouten no Jutsu”.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 am
Thanks Daniel i get where your coming from now your right of course naruto is only a gennin.I’am just a newbie kicking some throughts back and forth.What do you feel about realisation part of jirayra recoknising(is that a word lol)naruto as the fourth son and to me,if naruto cotton on to what iruka sensi said to him?
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 am
i feel sorry for naruto. he is sad for that his sensei died and when he gettting know that jiraya was hes godfather it will be more sad for him
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:15 am
To KAKASHIDAD:
Well about that, Jiraya always knew that Naruto was Minato’s son, in fact it was Jiraya who gave him the name of Naruto, making him his Godfather. Jiraya wasn’t Minato’s father, he just taught of him as his son, like for him Naruto was like his grandson. If Naruto already realized I don’t know, maybe he did. But what I’m most looking forward is information about Naruto’s mother and the former whirlpool country, of course I also want to know more about Yondaime.
What Jiraya realized in that moment, was that the Child of Profecy was Naruto not Pain, he remembered the Great Sage’s words about the book, and the boy in the book was named Naruto.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:37 am
Wouldn’t it be cool if Pein did collect Jiraiya’s body……thus Jiraiya not really dying just taken over by Pein. Then later….when Pein fights Naruto……naruto finding a way of fighting all of Peins bodies…..but at the same time finding a way to save Jiraiya from Pein. That would be cool. I like Jiraiya, he’s one of my favorite characters so it would be awesome if he returned later on….
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:38 am
My Goooood, one Chapter Without any Utchiwa !!!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:41 am
hmmm your right ‘an interesting egg’ when he(jirayra) asked if he could take naruto to find Tsunade ‘it’s true you only eat ramen’ when meeting him for the first time kishi so vague when telling his tale it’s brillant.Thanks again Daniel you seem to be on the ball.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:22 am
Great chapter , dont cry about Jiraiya his death is necessary for Naruto to develop. Just like Shikamaru changed when Asuma died, started smoking and things, Naruto will change too, and i dont mean by chasing girls or writing books but by getting smarter and better in combat.
Cant wait to see what that code is all about, and i dont think it is about pain at all but more somnthing special for naruto only, perhaps info on his parents or how to get full control on the 9-Taills, because wee all know that he is going to need it eventually…..but we’ll see….
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 am
to daniel:
wat bout those girls from the sand village that were introduced in the fillers of naruto part one but where again shown later in shippuuden and the manga..im sure that there’s probably been more stuff thats been shown in fillers thats been used in the manga but the manga still serves as the main guideline of the series and one little detail no matter how bigg it is wont ruin the manga of the show…
im sure kishi knows that most of his manga readers watch his show so maybe he did it as a bonus…im jus sayin i hp he introduces more cool characters in the fillers..for all we know sora could be one of the jinchurikis that was later captured and wont effect the story much in the manga…kishi could be doin jus wat alotta people wanted for him to highlight on dead jinchurikis/bijuus and fallen shinobis since they wont be back or wont be needed much in the story and at the same time instead of providen crappy fillers, they’ll be interesting…
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 am
to the hidden sage:
wat?!?!?
awwww…looks like im jus an elite jonin compared to ur standards..
alright time ta train..
i cant be a jiraiya fan and not be a sage..
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:04 am
I doubt that it is possible for Pein to “collect” Jiraiya’s body. Most likely, whatever technique is used to “collect” shinobi bodies has to be done while alive, so as to retain its inherent chakra and some information of the shinobi’s techniques. You’ll recall that when Jiraiya was hiding within his barrier, one of Pein’s bodies got inside of it and impaled him with a strange weapon, causing him to lose control of his chakra until the frog sage pulled it out.
The weapon probably has some relationship with those weird metal rivets and stuff studding Pein’s bodies’ skins, to form a kind of possession technique. I’d be willing to bet Pein is acting as an overmind somewhere, and that those shinobi we’ve seen as Pein are still alive, with their minds being sealed off from their body - letting just enough through for each one to perform a small amount of ninjutsu.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 am
To imapimpnamedslickback:
Like I said, you can get indeed some extra info from the anime, in fact Kishi sometimes uses the anime to show us stuff that he wanted to do in the manga but didn’t cause it would make it too long and off topic.
But again, that kind of info is just little extras, nothing special that could change or contradict the manga. But fact is the Anime sometimes mess up with the manga, for example, in Rescue Gaara’s arc, in the manga the Sand Village made everything they could to save him, instead in the Anime they did nothing because the council decided too, that’s why I said the Anime is not much reliable.
About that girl from the sand and Sora, that girl was indeed introduced in a filler and later shown in the manga, but she does not play a big role in the series, on the other hand, if Sora was a Jinchuuriki he would play a big role. As for Sora being one of the Jinchuuriki already captured that’s impossible, because:
When Deidara captured Gaara it was said that the Akatsuki had already captured 3 Bijuu, meaning the 5th 6th and 7th tails. So if it was before Gaara (the one tailed) it means Sora wasn’t one of those.
Later we saw Hidan and Kakazu capturing the 2 tails, and wasn’t Sora.
Tobi and Deidara captured the 3 tails, a wild Bijuu.
Finally, Kisame captured the 4 tails, an old man.
So that means Sora can’t be any of the Jinchuuriki captured earlier like you said. And since Naruto has the 9 tails, the only left is the 8 tails Sasuke will be after. So it’s impossible for Sora to be introduced in the storyline without making a big impact in it that a filler character shouldn’t do.
But lets see what happens in both anime and manga to make some conclusions, Sora can still be the 8tails, but I really doubt it, because not only he is a filler character, but also because Madara said the 1st Hokage gave the Bijuu to other countries to balance the power, and only kept the 9tails (the strongest), so if Sora was one, the Fire Country would still have 2 of them, making little sense.
To Nobster:
Really nice theory.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 am
i’m pretty sure that number has to do with breakingrepairing naruto’s seal on his stomach. afterall Jiraiya did seem to know alot about naruto’s seal. i think he helped the fourth place the nine tailed fox in naruto. so the code is to break the seal if naruto ever needs to.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 am
breaking or repairing*