The Pein/Rikudou thing is a great idea. I was thinking along the lines that the user of the rinnegan slowly loses their individuality, but I couldn’t think of why. Rikudou could answer that. So Nagato had the rinnegan which gave him strange powers and maybe as he develops them more and gets more bodies he slowly becomes less of himself and is pushed into the influence of Rikudou. Then towards the end, Rikudou fully takes over and it becomes an epic battle of the ninja vs. their creator/origin. Definitely has final boss material written all over it. Solid work.
I still wonder why all of Pein’s bodies are people from Jiraiya’s past, though. Quite strange. It’s possible Yahiko offered up his body as he was dying, but who knows it depends how he takes over the bodies and if he was still Nagato (personality-wise, as Jiraiya knew him) when it happened.
To Gameboy:
Dude I don’t think anyone has used the hair likeness for Tobito evidence in a long time lol. If they have, they obviously haven’t been keepin up. SKULL answers the crushed eye thing, which I also answered in detail before so I won’t be redundant and repeat it.
Anyway, I’d like to know your opinion on the Pein/Rikudou idea or just Pein stuff in general. I’m not sure if you already had any big theories on Pein, I didn’t read the comments in as much detail until the past couple weeks. You could always refer me back to it if you did already.
Thanks for the support, and the fact that Pain’s body are all shinobi from Jiraya’s past is really strange, I hope we find that out quick.
About Obito and his eye being crushed, I already said that months ago to Gameboy and DeathWalker, because even after the second rocks fall on him, he keep thinking of how much he would like to spend more time with Kakashi and Rin. So it useless to keep that discussion, even if I like that topic, that is one topic that make people in forums to start insulting each other and stuff like that, unfortunately. That’s why I’ve quit debating that.
If you look carfully thru those pictures you will see obito is turning his head to the left and right, meaning his eyes was fine cause it can’t be crushed if he is able to move, how ever, the rock that feel on the other side of his face would have crushed that side of his skull. But the left side, his right, would be ok.
Dont get your hopes up however, cause I am brought back to posting this, http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/naruto-chapter-16/3/
2nd picture down
Ps if you say they wern’t able to get him from the rocks then you also make the arguement that madara couldn’t as well. If you say madara had him before they got there, well the leaf would have been told about this and kakashi and minato would not take this litely. Another arguement you make is that madara is useing his body to hide, well at the time he would have taken the body the only person he would need to hide from is the 4th, and how dumb would you need to be to hide in the body of one of his students.
if your skull is crushed in any way any side even if its only a small area or
large, you will die thru internal bleeding and brain damage that is an extremely
severe injury that you will lose consiousness you cant even talk not to
mentioned that his jaw is damage he is not supposed to talk. by looking at
obito’s face and the area of his head its funny that the only blood you see is
from his mouth and its not even a lot. if his head is crushed it should be a
bloodbath do you agree. look at the picture yourself.
i dont know who said that tobi is possesed by madara already during that time
im going to disagree with that however i still believe that tobi/madara is not
using his own body. if that is true the only possible character to use as his new
shell is a character that also possesed sharingan and the only notable
character is obito. now if you people are going to ask me for evidence i will say
why dont you show your own evidence that tobi/madara is using madara’s real
body. i bet you cant prove it because you have to undressed tobi/madara which
is impossible for you that is something you cannot do whatsoever.
LETS STOP the tobito theory and move on to diff. topic. now if somebody push
this again ill be more than happy to ask you UNDRESSED TOBI.
to daniel
did you read that interview on the internet?
the one i read was translated by a proffesional translator
i think it was BC manga whom translated the interview for me and Kishi-Dono said he wanted to make a time age similiar to the present however it was up to each and everyone of us to belive what timeage it was
he didnt care.
“people who can’t use common sense should be left behind…”
stupid obito theory… stupid believers… tsss… everyone just wont give up… well…. losers…. “undress madara?” ok… we posted our evidences…. that madara is madara in his OWN BODY… hmm.. why don’t you post an evidence first that madara is using obito’s body?
NOT JUST SOME “BECAUSE I THINK HIS EYES ARE NOT CRUSHED OR BECAUSE HE CANT TALK OR THERE IS A FLAT SURFACE ON THE STUPID ROCK” theory…
SHOW EVIDENCES THAT HIS EYES ARE NOT CRUSHED, GIVE EVIDENCES THAT THE ROCK HAS A FLAT SURFACE ON THE MANGA…
…
ABOUT PEIN… i too really think it is nagato… something must have happen to yahiko that nagato can’t bare the pain…. NAGATO IS NONE OF THE 6 BODIES OF PAIN… but NAGATO is somehow pulling the strings… http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/09/
“THIS IS JUST A WILD THEORY AND I AM READY TO GIVE UP THIS THEORY IF I AM PROVEN WRONG…. PLUS I STILL DON’T HAVE EVIDENCES THAT NAGATO REALLY IS PEIN…”
gameboy:then stell me why tobi has pins and bolt on his body??? AND so wath his eye are crushed as i sayd madara needed another body..he took obito’s body all he needed is and uchiha body its not if its a strong body ore not he need a uchiha body and okok his eyes are crushed he CAN take his own sharingan from his original body and putted it on obitos body just like obito gave the sharingan to kakashi…
About that Hunter-nin, they’re from the Mist Village, Madara’s village, Madara’s methods, Kakashi never ever mentioned Konoha, and he said if he died Sharingan’s secrets would be exposed because he cannot “turn it off” anyway the Hunter-nin are from the Mist. You’re just speculating, the fact is you don’t see anyone taking back Obito’s body.
To zeraphim13:
Man you want evidence that the eye was not crushed? That at least I can give you, like SKULL said and well, to that rock crush your eye it would have crush your skull as well, and if Obito was still thinking and talking it’s because his skull and also his eye were alright.
So the first rock must have protected Obito from the others, rocks are not perfectly shaped, they leave holes between them, so it’s possible to Obito survive.
dude… i said i wanted there evidences that he eyes of obito is not crushed w/c is in fact it is CRUSHED… dude… ok? i’m saying here that madara still uses his own body… ok? just a little misunderstanding there… don’t worry… im not an obito theorist… ok? in fact i hate hose slow thinkers… ok? read my recent post on why is madara still uses his own body… ok?
madara is the mizukage of the hidden mist do you guyz think that he has a poor jutsu…
remember when tobi talk to pien and konan to get the kyuubi as soon as possible.. he said that… just see the manga
there is a possibility that madara is using only a body vessel just to stay alive like orochimaru….
why do madara won over sasuke?
*madara want to use him?
*madara is only tricking sasuke to help him crush the konoha?
*sasuke has a sharingan that is better than itachi maybe sasuke can controll all bijuus?
*or maybe madara want sasuke body to be his next vessel to be immortal. Thats why madara is preserving itachi’s eyes.
to zeraphim
AND OTHER NON BELIEVERS WHO LIKES TO INSULT OUR OPINION.
nerd we dont need to prove or show evidence about the tobi/madara in obito’s
body. thats what we believe but we are not claiming thats correct that is only
our opinion ITS A POSSIBILITY WE BELIEVE we still acknowledge that we
could be wrong ok so calm down.
judging you from your strong words you are claiming that you are correct so
why dont you take tobi/madara’s dress off and prove yourself you are correct.
SHOW US YOUR EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE CORRECT CMON SINCE YOU
SAID WE ARE SLOW THINKERS THEN MAYBE A SMART NERD LIKE YOU
CAN PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT. DONT YOU EVER CLAIM THAT YOU ARE
CORRECT IF YOU CANT PROVE IT
MADARA IS IN MADARA’S BODY OK PROVE IT SINCE YOUR CLAIMING
YOU ARE RIGHT. GIVE US STRONG EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE APPROVED BY KISHI HIMSELF.
IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE TOBITO THEORY WE RESPECT THAT ITS
ONLY OUR OPINION A POSSIBILITY WE BELIEVE.
BUT BY DISRESPECTING OUR OPINION YOU ARE CLAIMING YOU ARE
CORRECT SO PROVE IT. WE’LL BE HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG.
STRONG EVIDENCE PLEASE APPROVED BY KISHI.
C’MON C’MON C’MONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
WHY IS HE COVERING HIS-SELF?
(”becasue he’s a ninja wanted by everybody”. yeah right so as the rest of
akatsuki but they dont cover their face their not wuss like tobi/madara covering
face off or maybe he covers it for different reason)
as far as i know you are not kishi or related to him whatsoever so your guess is
as good as ours. your just a reader man dont claim youre right. because 1 day
kishi will be drunk and screwed up 1 morning you’ll wake up and find out that
tobi/madara is actually Elvis Presley (coming back from the grave hahaha).
its still a possibility hahahahaha.
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION ABOUT NAGATO BECOMING PEIN THATS
WHAT I BELIEVE TOO SOMEHOW DANIEL MADE A GOOD POINT THAT
CHANGE MY MIND BUT STILL THE NAGATO IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY AT
THIS TIME ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. AND NOBODY CAN PROVE YOU
WRONG THEY NEED TO HAVE EVIDENCE FROM KISHI FIRST TO SAY
YOURE WRONG. PEOPLE CANT CLAIM THEY ARE RIGHT IF THEY DONT
HAVE A STRONG EVIDENCE APPROVED BY KISHI RIGHT. SO YOUR
OPINION IS STILL GOOD AND I RESPECT THAT.
HAHAHAHA I GOT YOU MAN IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS YOURE CALLING
YOURSELF A HYPOCRITE. BUT IF YOU DISAGREE THEN YOU WILL BE
FORCE TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF KISHI OTHERWISE YOU’LL BE A
LIER.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOTHING PERSONAL MAN. I RESPECT YOU
Daniel all the villages have the hunter ninja’s. Not just the mist, Ps. I have already posted saying the right side of obtio’s face was fine, but the left side was crushed, you can tell by the size of the rock that fell on it.
Any way where did you get the idea that the hunter ninja’s are only from the mist.
Also I am not even sure if kishi remembers about them lol. They were mentioned once then never again.
To every one, the whole obito thing started as fan fiction, it has no bearing in the real story and was not created by kishi. Fanfiction can’t be taken into account with the real story, some say that minato being Naruto’s father was fan fiction as well, but that is bull, it has been hinted the whole series that naruto was his son (mainly by jeriah and itachi), also the two are being constanly compared in the manga, where once has tobi been compared to obito and when has to manga hinted that tobi is obito (dont go just on appearnce ether cause if you do you will only make a fool of your self)? In the manga not on these boards.
June 19th, 2008 at 8:26 am
To Daniel:
The Pein/Rikudou thing is a great idea. I was thinking along the lines that the user of the rinnegan slowly loses their individuality, but I couldn’t think of why. Rikudou could answer that. So Nagato had the rinnegan which gave him strange powers and maybe as he develops them more and gets more bodies he slowly becomes less of himself and is pushed into the influence of Rikudou. Then towards the end, Rikudou fully takes over and it becomes an epic battle of the ninja vs. their creator/origin. Definitely has final boss material written all over it. Solid work.
I still wonder why all of Pein’s bodies are people from Jiraiya’s past, though. Quite strange. It’s possible Yahiko offered up his body as he was dying, but who knows it depends how he takes over the bodies and if he was still Nagato (personality-wise, as Jiraiya knew him) when it happened.
To Gameboy:
Dude I don’t think anyone has used the hair likeness for Tobito evidence in a long time lol. If they have, they obviously haven’t been keepin up. SKULL answers the crushed eye thing, which I also answered in detail before so I won’t be redundant and repeat it.
Anyway, I’d like to know your opinion on the Pein/Rikudou idea or just Pein stuff in general. I’m not sure if you already had any big theories on Pein, I didn’t read the comments in as much detail until the past couple weeks. You could always refer me back to it if you did already.
June 19th, 2008 at 8:40 am
To azrael_chaos and SKULL:
Thanks for the support, and the fact that Pain’s body are all shinobi from Jiraya’s past is really strange, I hope we find that out quick.
About Obito and his eye being crushed, I already said that months ago to Gameboy and DeathWalker, because even after the second rocks fall on him, he keep thinking of how much he would like to spend more time with Kakashi and Rin. So it useless to keep that discussion, even if I like that topic, that is one topic that make people in forums to start insulting each other and stuff like that, unfortunately. That’s why I’ve quit debating that.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:08 am
chapters 403 & 404 images are not loading…
June 19th, 2008 at 9:28 am
to madrane:
just tell me what you dont understand and i’ll try and explain it
June 19th, 2008 at 9:34 am
chapter 403 loaded, but damn it 404 is not loading.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:43 am
NOOOO?!?!?!?
the site is down again?!?!?
to holmes221:
wats goin on??
June 19th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Ok I will argue for ether side side as long as false facts are posted.
Go to the following links.
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/kakashi-gaiden/naruto-chapter-243/3/
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/kakashi-gaiden/naruto-chapter-243/4/
If you look carfully thru those pictures you will see obito is turning his head to the left and right, meaning his eyes was fine cause it can’t be crushed if he is able to move, how ever, the rock that feel on the other side of his face would have crushed that side of his skull. But the left side, his right, would be ok.
Dont get your hopes up however, cause I am brought back to posting this,
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/naruto-chapter-16/3/
2nd picture down
Ps if you say they wern’t able to get him from the rocks then you also make the arguement that madara couldn’t as well. If you say madara had him before they got there, well the leaf would have been told about this and kakashi and minato would not take this litely. Another arguement you make is that madara is useing his body to hide, well at the time he would have taken the body the only person he would need to hide from is the 4th, and how dumb would you need to be to hide in the body of one of his students.
June 19th, 2008 at 11:47 am
if your skull is crushed in any way any side even if its only a small area or
large, you will die thru internal bleeding and brain damage that is an extremely
severe injury that you will lose consiousness you cant even talk not to
mentioned that his jaw is damage he is not supposed to talk. by looking at
obito’s face and the area of his head its funny that the only blood you see is
from his mouth and its not even a lot. if his head is crushed it should be a
bloodbath do you agree. look at the picture yourself.
i dont know who said that tobi is possesed by madara already during that time
im going to disagree with that however i still believe that tobi/madara is not
using his own body. if that is true the only possible character to use as his new
shell is a character that also possesed sharingan and the only notable
character is obito. now if you people are going to ask me for evidence i will say
why dont you show your own evidence that tobi/madara is using madara’s real
body. i bet you cant prove it because you have to undressed tobi/madara which
is impossible for you that is something you cannot do whatsoever.
LETS STOP the tobito theory and move on to diff. topic. now if somebody push
this again ill be more than happy to ask you UNDRESSED TOBI.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
to daniel
did you read that interview on the internet?
the one i read was translated by a proffesional translator
i think it was BC manga whom translated the interview for me and Kishi-Dono said he wanted to make a time age similiar to the present however it was up to each and everyone of us to belive what timeage it was
he didnt care.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
“people who can’t use common sense should be left behind…”
stupid obito theory… stupid believers… tsss… everyone just wont give up… well…. losers…. “undress madara?” ok… we posted our evidences…. that madara is madara in his OWN BODY… hmm.. why don’t you post an evidence first that madara is using obito’s body?
NOT JUST SOME “BECAUSE I THINK HIS EYES ARE NOT CRUSHED OR BECAUSE HE CANT TALK OR THERE IS A FLAT SURFACE ON THE STUPID ROCK” theory…
SHOW EVIDENCES THAT HIS EYES ARE NOT CRUSHED, GIVE EVIDENCES THAT THE ROCK HAS A FLAT SURFACE ON THE MANGA…
…
ABOUT PEIN… i too really think it is nagato… something must have happen to yahiko that nagato can’t bare the pain…. NAGATO IS NONE OF THE 6 BODIES OF PAIN… but NAGATO is somehow pulling the strings…
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/09/
“THIS IS JUST A WILD THEORY AND I AM READY TO GIVE UP THIS THEORY IF I AM PROVEN WRONG…. PLUS I STILL DON’T HAVE EVIDENCES THAT NAGATO REALLY IS PEIN…”
June 19th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
gameboy:then stell me why tobi has pins and bolt on his body??? AND so wath his eye are crushed as i sayd madara needed another body..he took obito’s body all he needed is and uchiha body its not if its a strong body ore not he need a uchiha body and okok his eyes are crushed he CAN take his own sharingan from his original body and putted it on obitos body just like obito gave the sharingan to kakashi…
June 19th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
To DeathWalker:
About that Hunter-nin, they’re from the Mist Village, Madara’s village, Madara’s methods, Kakashi never ever mentioned Konoha, and he said if he died Sharingan’s secrets would be exposed because he cannot “turn it off” anyway the Hunter-nin are from the Mist. You’re just speculating, the fact is you don’t see anyone taking back Obito’s body.
To zeraphim13:
Man you want evidence that the eye was not crushed? That at least I can give you, like SKULL said and well, to that rock crush your eye it would have crush your skull as well, and if Obito was still thinking and talking it’s because his skull and also his eye were alright.
http://inaruto.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/naruto-ch244-p07.jpg
Now even when the second rocks fall on him, the still keep thinking, which means his skull and eye were alright:
http://inaruto.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/naruto-ch244-p10.jpg
So the first rock must have protected Obito from the others, rocks are not perfectly shaped, they leave holes between them, so it’s possible to Obito survive.
June 19th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
to daniel:
dude… i said i wanted there evidences that he eyes of obito is not crushed w/c is in fact it is CRUSHED… dude… ok? i’m saying here that madara still uses his own body… ok? just a little misunderstanding there… don’t worry… im not an obito theorist… ok? in fact i hate hose slow thinkers… ok? read my recent post on why is madara still uses his own body… ok?
June 19th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
madara is the mizukage of the hidden mist do you guyz think that he has a poor jutsu…
remember when tobi talk to pien and konan to get the kyuubi as soon as possible.. he said that… just see the manga
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/naruto-chapter-364/4/
there is a possibility that madara is using only a body vessel just to stay alive like orochimaru….
why do madara won over sasuke?
*madara want to use him?
*madara is only tricking sasuke to help him crush the konoha?
*sasuke has a sharingan that is better than itachi maybe sasuke can controll all bijuus?
*or maybe madara want sasuke body to be his next vessel to be immortal. Thats why madara is preserving itachi’s eyes.
June 19th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
to zeraphim
AND OTHER NON BELIEVERS WHO LIKES TO INSULT OUR OPINION.
nerd we dont need to prove or show evidence about the tobi/madara in obito’s
body. thats what we believe but we are not claiming thats correct that is only
our opinion ITS A POSSIBILITY WE BELIEVE we still acknowledge that we
could be wrong ok so calm down.
judging you from your strong words you are claiming that you are correct so
why dont you take tobi/madara’s dress off and prove yourself you are correct.
SHOW US YOUR EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE CORRECT CMON SINCE YOU
SAID WE ARE SLOW THINKERS THEN MAYBE A SMART NERD LIKE YOU
CAN PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT. DONT YOU EVER CLAIM THAT YOU ARE
CORRECT IF YOU CANT PROVE IT
MADARA IS IN MADARA’S BODY OK PROVE IT SINCE YOUR CLAIMING
YOU ARE RIGHT. GIVE US STRONG EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE APPROVED BY KISHI HIMSELF.
IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE TOBITO THEORY WE RESPECT THAT ITS
ONLY OUR OPINION A POSSIBILITY WE BELIEVE.
BUT BY DISRESPECTING OUR OPINION YOU ARE CLAIMING YOU ARE
CORRECT SO PROVE IT. WE’LL BE HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG.
STRONG EVIDENCE PLEASE APPROVED BY KISHI.
C’MON C’MON C’MONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
WHY IS HE COVERING HIS-SELF?
(”becasue he’s a ninja wanted by everybody”. yeah right so as the rest of
akatsuki but they dont cover their face their not wuss like tobi/madara covering
face off or maybe he covers it for different reason)
as far as i know you are not kishi or related to him whatsoever so your guess is
as good as ours. your just a reader man dont claim youre right. because 1 day
kishi will be drunk and screwed up 1 morning you’ll wake up and find out that
tobi/madara is actually Elvis Presley (coming back from the grave hahaha).
its still a possibility hahahahaha.
June 19th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
TO ZERAPHIM
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION ABOUT NAGATO BECOMING PEIN THATS
WHAT I BELIEVE TOO SOMEHOW DANIEL MADE A GOOD POINT THAT
CHANGE MY MIND BUT STILL THE NAGATO IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY AT
THIS TIME ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. AND NOBODY CAN PROVE YOU
WRONG THEY NEED TO HAVE EVIDENCE FROM KISHI FIRST TO SAY
YOURE WRONG. PEOPLE CANT CLAIM THEY ARE RIGHT IF THEY DONT
HAVE A STRONG EVIDENCE APPROVED BY KISHI RIGHT. SO YOUR
OPINION IS STILL GOOD AND I RESPECT THAT.
HAHAHAHA I GOT YOU MAN IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS YOURE CALLING
YOURSELF A HYPOCRITE. BUT IF YOU DISAGREE THEN YOU WILL BE
FORCE TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF KISHI OTHERWISE YOU’LL BE A
LIER.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOTHING PERSONAL MAN. I RESPECT YOU
June 19th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
PEOPLE READ ZERAPHIM POST # 390.
AND THEN READ MY POST SKULL # 395 AND 396.
ITS GOOD I GUARAN-DAMN-TEED.
June 20th, 2008 at 1:48 am
Skull, stop using caps please, it’s VERY annoying. I won’t even bother reading that, no matter if it makes sense or not.
June 20th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Daniel all the villages have the hunter ninja’s. Not just the mist, Ps. I have already posted saying the right side of obtio’s face was fine, but the left side was crushed, you can tell by the size of the rock that fell on it.
Any way where did you get the idea that the hunter ninja’s are only from the mist.
Also I am not even sure if kishi remembers about them lol. They were mentioned once then never again.
June 20th, 2008 at 2:09 am
To every one, the whole obito thing started as fan fiction, it has no bearing in the real story and was not created by kishi. Fanfiction can’t be taken into account with the real story, some say that minato being Naruto’s father was fan fiction as well, but that is bull, it has been hinted the whole series that naruto was his son (mainly by jeriah and itachi), also the two are being constanly compared in the manga, where once has tobi been compared to obito and when has to manga hinted that tobi is obito (dont go just on appearnce ether cause if you do you will only make a fool of your self)? In the manga not on these boards.