hey i was just thinkin the 4th hokage is possibly still be alive, i just recall when oro tried to summoned the dead hokages the 3rd one didnt work. i mean this is just my opinion. to all hot headed outhere b4 you react this is just a god damn opinion ok. peace
its hard to make a theory out of pein theres not that much of information about him and people associated with him. ill make a wild guess he’s not the 4th hokage but somehow there’s a connection between him and naruto.
Skull, please, before posting, think if what you are about to say makes sense. The 4th is dead, period. Using that Shinigami jutsu = dead. We had an example of that when the third used it in front of your eyes lol.
What is your point with Pein exactly? He has something to do with Naruto just because they look alike? Tsunade’s brother also looked exactly like him, and he had absolutely no family bond with Naruto. Pretty much all the characters have spiky haircut, so you need to come up with something better. The only thing Naruto and Pein have in common, unless something big happens later in the manga, is their sensei, Jiraiya.
You cant really say kakashi copied rasengan because we dont know
well the 4th hokage also could use the rasengan but dont forget!!! the 4th was kakashi’s sensei! it can be that the 4th was learning the rasengan to kakashi but kakashi couldt complete it because the 4th died so u cant really say kakashi copied it because we dont know actually;-)
To Daniel: What are you talking about? Why the hell would Kakashi not copy the Rasengan with his Sharingan? And what where those two pages ment to prove? That he couldn’t properly elementally recompose the Rasengan? Yes, I already knew that. No one exept Naruto can, as far as we know.
Here’s some real evdience.
Only Jiraya, Minato and Naruto can use the rasengan. Kakashi only has a crapy copy that can’t be used in combat. As for anyone else that just copied it. You need to be naturaly leaned towards shape manipulation to use the rasengan. You see, people with the Sharingan can copy any Jutsu they want, but not perfect any jutsu they want. If they could, it would mean all people with the sharingan could use all elements and all jutsus as soon as they awaken the sharingan, just like Pein with his Rinnegan. And that would just be riddicoulous. Sharingan is supposed to equall the Byakugan. Not completly dwarf it.
Also a request to Kishi: Give us a Byakugan vs Sharingan fight, please. I’ve been waiting since the first Chuunin exam!
Yeah man, Minato is dead, sorry that I already said this many times, Shiki Fuujin is deadly.
To mihaz:
I don’t think a connection between Pain and Naruto to be that strange, remember that Pain’s first appearance (I mean his face and name) was right before Tsunade and Jiraya chat about Naruto’s mother, they said she was from the former Whirlpool Country, and that she had red hair, and you look to Pain, and he looks exactly like Naruto (I know there are more similar characters) but Pain is almost copy/paste Naruto but with Red hair and the rinnegan that looks very much like a whirlpool, that could be just coincidence, but maybe it isn’t. And than, you see that Pain and Naruto have more stuff in common, like being Jiraya’s students and filling in the profile of Destiny Child.
It may look like a crazy thoery but it’s not that crazy.
Man if you had read that pages with some attention you would know that Kakashi only created the Chidori because he wasn’t able to mix Raiton with Rasengan, that means he learned Rasengan BEFORE creating Chidori, and since he created it BEFORE Obito gives him his eye, it means Kakashi learnt the Rasengan also BEFORE getting the Sharingan.
And what is that stuff about Sharingan can only make crapy copies of jutsu that can’t be used in combat? loool that was really funny, didn’t Sasuke use Shishi Rendan in combat like many other Lee’s movements? Doesn’t Kakashi use many Suiton no Jutsus, that he copied with the Sharingan, in battle? Where did you get that from?
Can you guys stop with this fourth hokage coming back alive? Its true oro used edo tensei to get the first and second. But the 4th could not be revived because he gave himself away after sealing the kyuubi, so hes gone completely, no way of him coming back. Did the first and second hokage seal their self away? No. So thats why they were able to be revived. 4th=dead period.
now another thing. Why are people still confused about tobi? Hm? First we hear him say he is madara, now he shows his face to someone and they acknowledge him as madara. If they saw his face and it was obito, they would not say madara, kisame saw tobis face and said he did not know it was Uchiha Madara, thus madara is using his own body not obitos, meaning tobito theory is destroyed at last.
One more thing that everyone is sort of confused about. You ask why tobi has not shown his face yet to everyone, since he already is madara, correct? Well madaras face is of some importance, one of the biggest villains in the series, so its too early for him to reveal his face. For example:
Pein is a major villain. We never saw his identity in the past. Now we finally see him. Madara will remove his mask when the time is right. Kishi is saving the moment for the mask removal at the perfect time (maybe when sasuke vs madara)
Another thing we learned is that now madara is confirmed lying and tricking sasuke. We see him telling zetsu that they will harm konoha. So thats about it. Reply back to me if you want to.
then why was oro planning to summun the 4th when he was fighting the 3rd??
didnt the 3rd stop oro to summun the 4th ???
and IF tobi is madara with his own body why would kishi hide his face everytime tobi shows his face to annyone.
do you expect kisame know madara himself????? madara is about the age of the 1st????and we saw the 1st when the 3rd was abou 11years ore 12years old???? so he is very veryy old ????
Did you read my reply to you about Kisame and Madara? This thread’s page 5 number 88, I explain how Kisame could recognize Tobi as Madara and still not kill the theory.
About that face stuff you talk about it’s not valid since you already saw Madara’s face time and time again, nothing like Pain.
yeah!madrane is right….when oro plan to revive the 1st,2nd and 4th in the battle againts the 3rd…the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin bcoz he knows that it is the 4th.. he thinks that its too much for him and very dangerous to fight the 1st 2nd and 4th and oro in battle. so he made a move to stop the 3rd coffin with the 4th hokage inside……
thats what i recalled.. correct me f im wrong..tnx..;)
it is also hard to believe that madara is using hes own body until now bcoz of hes age and madara as we know have a long hair..while tobi have short hair we could barely see it…wewwwwww
Abouth 4th - He is a hero, because he gave up his life to seal Kyubi, like third to seal Oro. If he would come back, that would destroy him as a character. Also, story wise it would be lame if everybody would be coming back from the dead, like in DBZ.
Kakashi didn’t copy rasengan. Rasengan doesn’t even require any hand seals. All you do is focus chakra into your palm and such. So any ninja his level would probably be able to do it.
I don’t see how the 4th would still be alive. He died. He sacrificed himself. He used a jutsu that hills himself. The end. Pein might have some sort of relationship with the 4th somehow, which might explain why he looks a little like him, but he is NOT the 4th
June 16th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
to narutofan
man i respect you and your opinion but man danzou is madara sai is pein
i mean cmon boy kishi will be fired if hat happens.
June 16th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
hey i was just thinkin the 4th hokage is possibly still be alive, i just recall when oro tried to summoned the dead hokages the 3rd one didnt work. i mean this is just my opinion. to all hot headed outhere b4 you react this is just a god damn opinion ok. peace
June 16th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
what about the 4th hokage. anybody had ideas about what is possibly going to happen. is he alive in some way or not
June 16th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
MADARA IS JIM CARREY. THE STUPID MASK.
June 16th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
its hard to make a theory out of pein theres not that much of information about him and people associated with him. ill make a wild guess he’s not the 4th hokage but somehow there’s a connection between him and naruto.
June 16th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Skull, please, before posting, think if what you are about to say makes sense. The 4th is dead, period. Using that Shinigami jutsu = dead. We had an example of that when the third used it in front of your eyes lol.
What is your point with Pein exactly? He has something to do with Naruto just because they look alike? Tsunade’s brother also looked exactly like him, and he had absolutely no family bond with Naruto. Pretty much all the characters have spiky haircut, so you need to come up with something better. The only thing Naruto and Pein have in common, unless something big happens later in the manga, is their sensei, Jiraiya.
June 16th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
You cant really say kakashi copied rasengan because we dont know
well the 4th hokage also could use the rasengan but dont forget!!! the 4th was kakashi’s sensei! it can be that the 4th was learning the rasengan to kakashi but kakashi couldt complete it because the 4th died so u cant really say kakashi copied it because we dont know actually;-)
June 16th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
To Daniel: What are you talking about? Why the hell would Kakashi not copy the Rasengan with his Sharingan? And what where those two pages ment to prove? That he couldn’t properly elementally recompose the Rasengan? Yes, I already knew that. No one exept Naruto can, as far as we know.
Here’s some real evdience.
http://www.inaruto.net/naruto/naruto-chapter-159/1/
Only Jiraya, Minato and Naruto can use the rasengan. Kakashi only has a crapy copy that can’t be used in combat. As for anyone else that just copied it. You need to be naturaly leaned towards shape manipulation to use the rasengan. You see, people with the Sharingan can copy any Jutsu they want, but not perfect any jutsu they want. If they could, it would mean all people with the sharingan could use all elements and all jutsus as soon as they awaken the sharingan, just like Pein with his Rinnegan. And that would just be riddicoulous. Sharingan is supposed to equall the Byakugan. Not completly dwarf it.
Also a request to Kishi: Give us a Byakugan vs Sharingan fight, please. I’ve been waiting since the first Chuunin exam!
June 16th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
To SKULL:
Yeah man, Minato is dead, sorry that I already said this many times, Shiki Fuujin is deadly.
To mihaz:
I don’t think a connection between Pain and Naruto to be that strange, remember that Pain’s first appearance (I mean his face and name) was right before Tsunade and Jiraya chat about Naruto’s mother, they said she was from the former Whirlpool Country, and that she had red hair, and you look to Pain, and he looks exactly like Naruto (I know there are more similar characters) but Pain is almost copy/paste Naruto but with Red hair and the rinnegan that looks very much like a whirlpool, that could be just coincidence, but maybe it isn’t. And than, you see that Pain and Naruto have more stuff in common, like being Jiraya’s students and filling in the profile of Destiny Child.
It may look like a crazy thoery but it’s not that crazy.
June 16th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
to mizah:
so wath the 4th is dead he can be revived by madara ore someone els???
oro did the same thing with the 1st and 2nd
June 16th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
To TheVindicator:
Man if you had read that pages with some attention you would know that Kakashi only created the Chidori because he wasn’t able to mix Raiton with Rasengan, that means he learned Rasengan BEFORE creating Chidori, and since he created it BEFORE Obito gives him his eye, it means Kakashi learnt the Rasengan also BEFORE getting the Sharingan.
And what is that stuff about Sharingan can only make crapy copies of jutsu that can’t be used in combat? loool that was really funny, didn’t Sasuke use Shishi Rendan in combat like many other Lee’s movements? Doesn’t Kakashi use many Suiton no Jutsus, that he copied with the Sharingan, in battle? Where did you get that from?
June 16th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Can you guys stop with this fourth hokage coming back alive? Its true oro used edo tensei to get the first and second. But the 4th could not be revived because he gave himself away after sealing the kyuubi, so hes gone completely, no way of him coming back. Did the first and second hokage seal their self away? No. So thats why they were able to be revived. 4th=dead period.
now another thing. Why are people still confused about tobi? Hm? First we hear him say he is madara, now he shows his face to someone and they acknowledge him as madara. If they saw his face and it was obito, they would not say madara, kisame saw tobis face and said he did not know it was Uchiha Madara, thus madara is using his own body not obitos, meaning tobito theory is destroyed at last.
One more thing that everyone is sort of confused about. You ask why tobi has not shown his face yet to everyone, since he already is madara, correct? Well madaras face is of some importance, one of the biggest villains in the series, so its too early for him to reveal his face. For example:
Pein is a major villain. We never saw his identity in the past. Now we finally see him. Madara will remove his mask when the time is right. Kishi is saving the moment for the mask removal at the perfect time (maybe when sasuke vs madara)
Another thing we learned is that now madara is confirmed lying and tricking sasuke. We see him telling zetsu that they will harm konoha. So thats about it. Reply back to me if you want to.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
then why was oro planning to summun the 4th when he was fighting the 3rd??
didnt the 3rd stop oro to summun the 4th ???
and IF tobi is madara with his own body why would kishi hide his face everytime tobi shows his face to annyone.
do you expect kisame know madara himself????? madara is about the age of the 1st????and we saw the 1st when the 3rd was abou 11years ore 12years old???? so he is very veryy old ????
June 16th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
To Gameboy:
Did you read my reply to you about Kisame and Madara? This thread’s page 5 number 88, I explain how Kisame could recognize Tobi as Madara and still not kill the theory.
About that face stuff you talk about it’s not valid since you already saw Madara’s face time and time again, nothing like Pain.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Thanks madrane…^_^ your pretty intelligent.hehehe
June 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
to gameboy:
yeah!madrane is right….when oro plan to revive the 1st,2nd and 4th in the battle againts the 3rd…the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin bcoz he knows that it is the 4th.. he thinks that its too much for him and very dangerous to fight the 1st 2nd and 4th and oro in battle. so he made a move to stop the 3rd coffin with the 4th hokage inside……
thats what i recalled.. correct me f im wrong..tnx..;)
June 16th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
it is also hard to believe that madara is using hes own body until now bcoz of hes age and madara as we know have a long hair..while tobi have short hair we could barely see it…wewwwwww
June 16th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
`jivZvOy: I change my haircut often…
Abouth 4th - He is a hero, because he gave up his life to seal Kyubi, like third to seal Oro. If he would come back, that would destroy him as a character. Also, story wise it would be lame if everybody would be coming back from the dead, like in DBZ.
June 16th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
well maybe kishi doesnt thik like that if it really destroys him as a character then he wouldnt let oro summon the 1st and 2nd they are herous to
June 16th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Kakashi didn’t copy rasengan. Rasengan doesn’t even require any hand seals. All you do is focus chakra into your palm and such. So any ninja his level would probably be able to do it.
I don’t see how the 4th would still be alive. He died. He sacrificed himself. He used a jutsu that hills himself. The end. Pein might have some sort of relationship with the 4th somehow, which might explain why he looks a little like him, but he is NOT the 4th